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The Walkmen/ 'No Alarms and No Surprises' Interview by Alan Sargeant

THE WALKMEN

“I just saw the Hot Hot Heat in British Columbia when we played. They're funny guys. Dante told me this joke that I liked "Two bears are eating a clown, and one turns to the other and says 'does this taste funny to you?'"” On the eve of the release of second album, ‘Bows and Arrows’ Hamilton Leithauser proves as unconventional an interviewee as The Walkmen prove musicians.

03/03/2004

Although only a fool could really believe that the tender, dishevelled magic of Walter Martin’s muffled turn-of-the-century piano tinklings on the band’s ‘We’ve Been Had’ came together by anything other than design, The Walkmen’s Hamilton Leithauser refuses point blank to be coerced into disclosing any such artifice. Not even on the subject of Matt Barrick’s crazy and non-uniform drumming style:

“We didn't have a sound in mind at all. We just knew we didn't want to sound like our old bands. There wasn't any thought. I found the album cover months after we finished it. The drums are crazy because Matt is crazy.”

And whilst it seems natural to assume otherwise, one look at the lyric-sheet dryly corroborates Hamilton’s own take on events more than it does our own. Tales of dislocation, independence and causality pepper each clumsy unfolding narrative. On the one hand it’s all naturally unconventional and unintentional and on the other, it’s anything but. Genius was never meant to be this uncertain, surely?

First album ‘Everyone Who Pretended To Like Me Is Gone’ was conceived exclusively in the studio. Those of us with the benefit of hindsight would swear blind to this being obvious. Its delicateness, its tortuousness and its gentle but enduring obstinacy – no collection of songs conceived in front of the crowd was ever likely to have been this cantankerous or idiosyncratic. And certainly not in front of a crowd of the kind that exists today, a crowd reared on every rehash known to man, on every retro device you could apply. So does the protracted bluster and dishonesty of bands like The Strokes piss him off? Not likely. Not Hamilton:

“Yeah well that's always a problem so you can't let it piss you off because then you'll always have to be pissed off.”

Issue closed.

All five members of the Walkmen were born in the 1970s and spent their childhoods in Washington, DC. Hamilton Leithauser and organist Walter Martin are first cousins and grew up across the street from one another. All but bass player Peter Bauer went to the same high school. Each listened to many of the same bands, went to the same shows and hung out in the same places handed down from generation to generation.

One by one, each member moved to New York with the sole purpose of playing in a band. Paul, Matt and Walter started a group called Jonathan Fire*Eater with two other friends from Washington:

The Walkmen got together in the spring of 2000, but this wasn’t where it started. Before The Walkmen I'd been playing in another band called Jonathan Fire*Eater for about 6 years and going to college in NY. The other guys were in another band together for about the same amount of time: The Recoys. They'd dropped out of college, but were heading back when Jonathan Fire*Eater was forming.”

Before they did head back, however, the two bands eventually got to play the Bowery Ballroom together one evening in late 1998. Not long after that show both bands split up. But there was no way it was going to be for long. All they needed was little help from their friends and a little ‘studio trickery’. Hamilton takes up the story:

“The three older guys in the group (Paul Bauer – Bass, Matt Barrick – Drums and Walt Martin - Organ) got the idea of a studio long before The Walkmen even started, because they knew they wanted to keep playing music but they weren't that sure what they wanted to do exactly...so the studio seemed like a solid starting point. So they got all these gullible friends to lend them money, which to this day is still accruing interest.”

Situated in Harlem and several floors below a police station in a large converted industrial space, the newly named Marcata studio was destined become a home for the future band, and it was here that first album, ‘Everyone Who Pretended To Like Me Is Gone’ fell together. Not that either Hamilton, Matt or Walter had a clue as to where any of this was going, let alone a well defined idea of the sound that they were after:

“We didn't have a sound in mind at all. We just knew we didn't want to sound like our old bands. So we really wrote the songs while we recorded them. We had all the time in the world in our studio...no paying by the hour...so we really messed with the sounds until we got something we liked. So we just didn't play a show until we had enough of these songs to fill a set.”

In March 2002, The Walkmen released ‘Everyone Who Pretended To Like Me Is Gone’. It pleased the critics immensely, but for the most part it eluded the masses.

By late 2003, the band had travelled as far as Scotland and Greece, culminating with a show in front of 2,500 people in the pouring rain on a New York pier. And around this time, they had also begun recording the second album. But their confidence and eagerness live was somehow reshaping them as writers, as blistering new tracks like ‘The Rat’ reveal. The emotion is still there; it’s just played at a higher volume and with greater and firmer intensity. And the same is true of the singing. Is Hamilton sounding more like himself?

“We hadn't played live the first time around...and that's clear when you see us play those songs live, so this one really captures our live sound. I think I sound more like myself now because even though I've been singing in bands for like 10 years, before The Walkmen came along I never actually sang notes...it was more just screaming...so when we did that first record ‘Everyone…’ well I just got sort of ‘singerly’ because I could actually hit the notes. So then I sort of lost track of the personality behind it a little. So this time I stopped thinking about trying to be a ‘singerly’ singer and just sang it more relaxed and natural.”

Recalling the endless hours spent on the first one, experimenting and redoing things that, perhaps, had not needed to be redone, the band worried they might have grown too comfortable at Marcata. By working elsewhere and setting down all the songs to tape at once, they hoped to expedite the recording process

“We thought we'd be able make the record quickly, just crank it out,” guitarist Paul Maroon says, “but we were dead wrong.”

In the end much of the new album, Bows and Arrows proved to be just as intensive as the last record. While the germ for many of the songs formed while the band lived in a farmhouse near Saugerties, NY, they headed south to Memphis, TN's Easley-McCain Recording (where great albums by Sonic Youth, The Breeders and countless others were produced) to record. While the first session went smoothly, a second was interrupted by storms that blacked out the Memphis power grid for over a week (they would also be stalled by another black out in New York during mixing). The result? A bit of a creative slowdown:

“It was pretty slow going at first, then it really got moving right at the end. Our writing always starts at just a brick wall. We're at one right now. We can't write a thing - not one thing and it's really irritating. We just sit in a room and come up with the worst stuff over and over. But when you finish one record it's difficult to start on a new foot with the next one.”

Was ‘Bows and Arrows’ as entirely ‘closed-shop’ a recording as the first, was or was there a little help from their friends this time around?

“A guy from Dallas named Stuart Sikes who’d worked with The White Stripes and the The Box Tops came to help with the engineering. He was cool. Otherwise we did it all by ourselves. Oh wait, that's not true, we had David Sardy (producer to Marilyn Manson and System Of A Down) help us with ‘The Rat’.”

By the time all was completed, the record had travelled from Tennessee to Mississippi and back to New Jersey and Marcata in New York, where, against most odds, the work was completed. And were they any surprises on hearing the finished article?

“I was surprised with how much I liked the final versions of the last two songs (‘Thinking Of A Dream I Had’ and title track ‘Bows and Arrows’) because we really wrote them while we were in the studio, and the final takes of the basic tracks were done before any of the vocals were written or anything, so when I realized I'd have to finish them off right there it got a little harrowing, because I didn't know what to do. So I was really flying by the seat of my pants on those, and now I think they're my favourite songs.”

As Crud hasn’t yet heard the album we can’t comment, but if it’s anything like the first, there’s more than Hamilton Leithauser set to experience those same surprises.

Tour dates:
2/13 - Portland, OR - Berbati's Pan
2/14 - Orangevale, CA - The Boardwalk
2/15 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall
2/16 - Palo Alto, CA - The Edge
2/19 - Pomona, CA - Glass House
2/20 - San Diego, CA - The Casbah
2/21 - Los Angeles, CA - Henry Fonda Theatre
2/26 - Washington, DC - 9:30 Club
2/27 - Cambridge, MA - Middle East Club
2/28 - Philadelphia, PA - The Khyber
3/3 - Toronto, ON - Horseshoe Tavern
3/4 - East Lansing, MI - Michigan St. University
3/5 - Cleveland, OH - Grog Shop
3/6 - Detroit, MI - Magic Stick
3/7 - Milwaukee, WI - Mad Planet
3/8 - Minneapolis, MN - 400 Bar
3/10 - Champaign, IL - High Dive
3/11 - Chicago, IL - Metro / Smart Bar
3/12 - Iowa City, IA - Gabe's Oasis
3/13 - Columbia, MO - Mojo's
3/14 - Norman, OK - Opolis
3/15 - Denton, TX - Hailey's
3/16 - Houston, TX - Fat Cat's (formerly Mary Jane's)
3/22 - Atlanta, GA - Echo Lounge
3/23 - Athens, GA - 40 Watt Club
3/24 - Carrboro, NC - Go! Rehearsal Studio
4/1 - New York, NY - Irving Plaza

Relvant sites:
www.marcata.net/walkmen



Alan Sargeant for Crud Magazine 2003©


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