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Sloan Interview/Allan Martin Kemler

Canada's answer to the Beatles and Big Star may have given up the idea of conquering America, but that doesn't mean they're about to start getting a day job. Sloan talk to Crud.

29/11/01

SLOAN

After ten years, six albums, two near break-ups and emigrating from the distant shores of Halifax, Nova Scotia to the bright lights of Toronto, Sloan, Canada's answer to the Beatles and Big Star have not only given up caring about major label success, they've redefined for themselves what it means to be successful in this business at all.

"We will never conquer America," asserts bassist Chris Murphy, dryly. "You just need so much money behind you that it's ridiculous. We would like to disprove the American notion that you're a success or a failure as determined by a certain amount of record sales. We would like to be an example of a moderate success, which the American way suggests is an impossibility."

Heady stuff, but Murphy has a reason to be so assertive. In Canada, Sloan are in heavy rotation on the radio and can be seen on TV, as well as headlining big summertime festivals. In Canada, the band is practically an icon. In the States, however, the band is, "kind of underground," as Murphy describes them.

"Fuck, man, we're still hungry," exclaims Murphy, brushing aside a question about the band's success at home. "We haven't had a hit. We don't get played on the radio in the States. They have content laws in Canada, so they have to play us."

"There are times when I wish we would go big or go home," Murphy continues. "Are we going to be a failure? Are we going to sell nothing, or are we going to sell a lot? Give me a sign. Which way is it headed? Instead of just selling the same number of records every time and then thinking we owe it to ourselves to do another one."

Candour aside, Murphy is careful not to sound too bummed out about never having to work a day job, and he's quick to point out he doesn't know what he'd do if the band broke up.

Still, no matter how many gold records his fellow canucks throw at him, it's clear Murphy won't be satisfied until the band finds success in the U.S.

"This band is everything to me," adds guitarist Jay Ferguson, for emphasis. "I want our band to be huge." (As if to say, "we can do it!")

But perhaps it's not to be. Maybe success isn't in the cards for Sloan. Since it's debut in 1991, the band has either been overshadowed or out of fashion. With Nirvana releasing the rock 'n' roll rejuvenating 'Nevermind' the same year as Sloan's maiden release, the 'Peppermint' EP (Murderecords), the band found itself battling against the tide in a sea of anti-musicianship and was quickly pushed to the margin in favour of the new boss - grunge.

Signing to DGC in 1992 and having Spin declare Twice Removed, one of the "Best Albums You Didn't Hear This Year", in 1994, didn't help either. Yet, in spite of growing disharmony amongst the members of the band and with its record label, the band managed to trundle on.

By the end of 1994, angry and disenchanted with DGC for not promoting its music in the U.S., Sloan decided to leave the label amidst growing rumours of a break-up. After spending most of 1995 working on other projects, the members of Sloan reunited in 1996 without a record contract and recorded the majestic One Chord to Another for a mere $8,000, releasing it on the band's Murderecords label.

Step and repeat....

Five years and numerous sold out Canadian shows later, and the band is still plugging away, trying to light it's own fire. But as good as the music is on the band's latest release, 'Pretty Together' (Murderecords), it's hard not to feel like the band's collective ambivalence about success, or its lack of it in their own eyes, hasn't begun to take its toll.

For instance, when guitarist Patrick Pentland says, "We didn't have anything to lose on this one," it kind of begs the question, why not? While the world may never have an answer, it's probably as simple as the fact that 10 years is a long time to feel under appreciated in any business. Murphy says that record sales for the last two albums have had a distinctly downward trajectory, so maybe that's it.

Unfortunately for the band's psyche, they're probably destined to go down in rock history like Big Star or the Modern Lovers-adored by critics, unknown to the world.

However, as Ferguson pointed out in an interview with South End, "it's kind of hard to [stop] yourself."

True enough. And Murphy has already noted that once you get going, it's easy enough to justify why you should give yourself one more chance. But maybe Sloan should just listen to its own advice and relax.

"I kind of just wish we would forget about radio, because it's an impossible game to win," confesses Murphy. "It's still important for us to be on the radio in Canada, but we'll never be on the radio in the States, at all. Unless we get signed to a major label, and that's probably not going to happen." Despite his ambivalence about touring Canada, Murphy says the tour is going well, even if his contempt for touring with little promise of being discovered is obvious.

"It's Canada again. So it's all right," he says, softly. "But we don't have the coolest fans. I guess there's some kind of math you could do. Like, if we broke up now and took five years off, then people would be so psyched to see us then that we could make enough money to cancel out the next five years of touring. So, if we strategically take five years off, we'll make millions of dollars when we come back because everyone will miss us."

Maybe.

Though Murphy says the band has finally resigned itself to its fate and given up holding its breath waiting for stardom, he does cop to feeling a little overlooked over the years, and admits that he's still got one ace up his sleeve.

"I want to tell all the critics in ten years, to give our albums the five stars they deserve," blurts Murphy. "Hopefully, we'll get to put out more records and hopefully somebody in Mojo magazine will go, 'Holy fuck, who is this band, they have all these records and they're so cool.' "

In the meantime, Murphy says Sloan will probably keep on recording and touring and see what happens next. Following a tour of Canada and few selected U.S. cities, the band will begin gearing up for four shows they have booked for January in Japan.

Allan Martin Kemler for Crud Magazine© 2001


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